Sneaky rotten low down dogs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54Bus6bBhk

Think this is common on the spurs now too guys... Sad

They just dont play fair these days hey...

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Andy.

K4 Gsxr600 Suzui & 2008 WR450 Bush hack
Previous loved animals:
2001 Yamaha YZ250 (Dirtbike hack)
2001 Yamaha R1 - I miss it soooooo much !
2000 Gsxr 600
1988 Honda CBR 600

That seriously sucks. I guees you have to a lap first to check it out before going for it

It's all a big game. Don't say you haven't been warned, especially on weekends.

Sounds like they were really digging their efforts though!

Not too smart giving away that position though, one could fall into a newly dug hole? Rolling Eyes

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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape;

If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.

If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.

That looks like the GOR - on the way to Lorne - after that AWESOME 30km/h left that banks right and then sweeps left again.... May not be.

HOWEVER

I really cant believe the police have stooped so low as to undertake these types of tactics. I suspected it and have heard rumors, but had never seen it for myself... I am normally pretty placid and believe in punishment for crimes. In this case, I am firmly against this idea. I believe these types of tactics are considered unsafe let alone a flaming outrage.

I did notice the police officer inaccurately describing the 2nd bike and riding gear and had "no reading" on the third bike - which I believe was due to "other users" cluttering the spread sprectrum lazer.

Still cant believe what a-holes police have become. I guess they are just doing what they are told.

Ahhh, the filth Mad

Who are they 'saving', eh? Rolling Eyes

Looks to me to be revenue raising at it's finest Crying or Very sad

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I think I bitched and moaned about this on another post but WE as victorians have to stand up to this rubbish,I cannot believe how we just except stuff like this when there is serious crimes being perpertrated by real criminals out there!

Its not the police's fault they would be doing as they are asked its their hierarchy that are to blame.
These people travelling along this section of road were not even going faster than the speed limit was anly a few months ago! Mad

Fair enougth if they were doing 180 or 190 but they were doing 90-99km/hr

Agreed - rediculous and VERY sad........

Is there anything we can really do? By the way, was it the GOR? If it was the corner I was thinking about, then I am going to definately look for them when I ride down the coast. If I see them, I WILL park my bike, pull out my phone, call the police and state there are suspicious characters on the hill next to the road and one looks like he is holding a rifle........ Terrorists. Twisted Evil

I am speechless. I wonder what would happen if they got some nice footage of someone being killed when they could have been down at road level, completely visible, and prevented it? Hypocritical politicians. Shame of it is that we can't even use our votes to stop it as they all equally rely on the revenue!

I have been thinking about this one for some time........ apart from all the banter and speculation, is this actually legal? Not just from the perspective of "catching" speeders, but more so with regards to the manner in which they catch them?

Further more, if we the rider ask to see the "radar" how are they going to provide this? Sure, they can walk down the hill, etc..... BUT, with other people being detected in the point and shoot scenration, how can they guaratee that the "reading" is yours?

If this ever happens, I am going to insist on seeing the radar..... I believe I will be able to fight that.

Sir Skuffy wrote:

I have been thinking about this one for some time........ apart from all the banter and speculation, is this actually legal? Not just from the perspective of "catching" speeders, but more so with regards to the manner in which they catch them?

Further more, if we the rider ask to see the "radar" how are they going to provide this? Sure, they can walk down the hill, etc..... BUT, with other people being detected in the point and shoot scenration, how can they guaratee that the "reading" is yours?

If this ever happens, I am going to insist on seeing the radar..... I believe I will be able to fight that.

The police don't have to show you the reading, but it is in their best interests. I'd say that there was 2-3 cops in that operation, one with the radar, one on the 2-way and another taking down the stats (time over a set distance plus the actual reading)

The thing is, when asked "how fast were you going, or 'you were detected at'..." say the speed limit or less and stick to it if you plan to have a chance at defending. It has worked for me a couple of times.

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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape;

If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.

If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.

This came from another site: something to think about Wink

It's not legal. It's illegal to target a person based on specific parameters under pretense of a random act. It's unconstitutional. This is bias and falls under the same banner as targetting people based on religion, race or personal dislike.

Good luck proving it... You'll get to the 11th hour... then they'll withdraw the fine.

Always seek advice, always go to court and always defend your beliefs...

They rely on the fact you won't.

Police are people, and people are not infallible. Every person that breaks the law is a criminal, regardless of their uniform.

Yes, these radar detectors are bound by their terms of use... One of which is a permissable angle of incidence. They are also bound by their environment and must not be regarded as accurate if used within a specified distance of an electrical transformer, electrical generator, power line proximity and even line of sight deviations such as rato rise in roads, approach angles and even leaves fallen across their path of sight. Hand held laser guns can also be challenged as they are actually designed to be used on a solid mounted surface )have you ever held a laser pointer straight only to realise the dot moves around like crazy on the wall metres away?) now imaging that amount of variance on a vehicle up to 250m away (maximum range). They are also designed to be used against flat surfaces, thats why police are taught to target your number plate. Imaging the vector deflections on surface as angled and random as the front of a motorbike! There are also factors such as "double bounce" which cause false and inflated readings.

I have more experience with speed detection equipment and SAPOL than you would believe.

Challenge these incidents in court and the charges will be withdrawn 95% of the time.

If you ever get caught by speed detecting equipment, the very first thing you should do is ask for a NATA approved certificate of calibration. If the device does not have an approved calibration certificate (No S.A. Police camera had these between 2004 and 2008 as the Police were stripped of their NATA certification for failing to meet the correct calibrating procedure!) If the device does not have NATA certified approval, it can NOT be used for accurate speed detection.

THE POLICE WILL WITHDRAW THE CHARGES!

Sir Skuffy wrote:

This came from another site: something to think about Wink

If you ever get caught by speed detecting equipment, the very first thing you should do is ask for a NATA approved certificate of calibration. If the device does not have an approved calibration certificate (No S.A. Police camera had these between 2004 and 2008 as the Police were stripped of their NATA certification for failing to meet the correct calibrating procedure!) If the device does not have NATA certified approval, it can NOT be used for accurate speed detection.

THE POLICE WILL WITHDRAW THE CHARGES!

Well said Sir Skuffy, and yes this is true, we went through this a few years back in the UK, i dodged a fine and points once as no certificate of calibration could be provided for the hand held radar. Mind you that was after them attempting to charge me an eighty five pound charge ($180 au Aprox) for administration charges for getting certificate out of ploice archives... So i said stuff it yeah i will pay it and if you cant produce or its out of date i will claim my cash back thanks.

Guess what, my cheque was returned with a letter dropping the charges but no applogy.

I am a Quality Assurance manager and as a tax payer also requested a corrective action report on the use of un-calibrated equipment in offical service and guess what. FA response.

So it just goes to show that 9/10 THE CHANCES ARE THE POLICE HAVE NO EVIDENCE ANYWAY.

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Andy.

K4 Gsxr600 Suzui & 2008 WR450 Bush hack
Previous loved animals:
2001 Yamaha YZ250 (Dirtbike hack)
2001 Yamaha R1 - I miss it soooooo much !
2000 Gsxr 600
1988 Honda CBR 600

That's sounds right. I'd love to see the coppers face when you say that.

I might run that one by an old mate who is in the TMU ans get his opinion (honest)

All the same, it's a croc that tactics like this are employed. It seems that only profitable 'crimes' are targeted nowadays.

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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape;

If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.

If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.

Hey guys, just back for Thailand and just read through all of this and I must say I'm pretty disappointed in the actions of the police in this situation. In fact, I'll be printing off Skuffy's post and carrying it with me on the bike at all times just in case I need to refer back to it. If they are going to play stupid games then we can as well!

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